Hawk, Hahn disagree on Moneyball

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Hawk, Hahn disagree on Moneyball

On the seminar stage at the Palmer House during SoxFest this weekend, Moneyball was both lambasted and praised.

Hawk Harrelson argued on Saturday that Moneyball was a "fraud" and tore into Billy Beane as a general manager, rhetorically asking how many playoff games those sabermetrically-oriented teams ever won. Hawk further dismissed the book and movie, saying he's neither seen or read the work, but doesn't need to because, as he puts it, it's a bunch of BS.

But on Sunday, assistant general manager Rick Hahn lauded Moneyball, saying he "enjoyed the book very much" as a learning tool. He added that it offered a good insight into how teams find market inefficiencies and run a business. Although, for Hahn, the movie had some inaccuracies, namely in how it didn't mention the A's stout pitching staff from the year.

There's been some consternation over sabermetrics this weekend, with some fans seemingly accusing the White Sox of using them not enough or too much. But, in reality, no team would ever strictly use stats or scouting to make a decision.

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White Sox TalkHahn: "The data has got better than it was 15 years ago. There isn't a club out there that excludes scouting opinion."
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White Sox Talk"It's a peanut butter and jelly issue. You can have both, so why choose one?" Hahn on sabermetrics and scouting. SoxFest
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SportsTalk Live Podcast: Tim Raines elected to Baseball Hall of Fame

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SportsTalk Live Podcast: Tim Raines elected to Baseball Hall of Fame

Hub Arkush (670 The Score/Pro Football Weekly), David Schuster (670 The Score) and Patrick Finley join Kap on the panel.  Tim Raines finally gets the call from the Hall along with Jeff Bagwell and Pudge Rodriguez.  So when will Bonds and Clemens get in?  Why are Sammy Sosa’s vote totals dropping? The guys debate from former Cub David DeJesus joins the panel to talk Hall of Fame and the 2017 Cubs.

The Bulls lose to a bad Mavericks team. When will GarPax blow it up and start over?

Plus the guys discuss whether or not Antonio Brown will distract the Steelers and if the Falcons defense is the x-factor in the NFC title game.

Jerry Reinsdorf, Frank Thomas congratulate Tim Raines on Baseball Hall of Fame election

Jerry Reinsdorf, Frank Thomas congratulate Tim Raines on Baseball Hall of Fame election

Tim Raines became the 39th former member of the White Sox to be elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Wednesday.

White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf released a statement congratulating Raines on his election.

“On behalf of the entire White Sox organization and our fans, I want to sincerely congratulate Tim on today’s election to the Hall of the Fame, the highest and greatest honor bestowed upon a baseball player,” said Jerry Reinsdorf, chairman of the Chicago White Sox. “He played a crucial role on the 1993 division championship team, was a key member of the 2005 World Series-winning coaching staff and provided Sox fans with great memories that will not be forgotten.”

[SHOP: Gear up, White Sox fans!]

Frank Thomas, who played with Raines from 1991-95, had high praise for his former teammate.

“Rock was one of my favorite teammates ever,” said Hall-of-Famer and White Sox legend Frank Thomas. “He made the game fun night-to-night and was a great leader in the clubhouse. His humor and hustle always brought the team closer. I’m so glad this has finally happened for one of my favorite people ever.”

Thomas also went on Twitter to express his excitement for Raines heading to Cooperstown.

Ozzie Guillen congratulated Raines as well, saying that it was well-deserved.