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Who is on hot seat if Bears' struggles continue?

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Who is on hot seat if Bears' struggles continue?

Wednesday, Sept. 28, 2011
Posted: 10:26 a.m. Updated: 5:48 p.m.

By John Mullin
CSNChicago.com Bears Insider Follow @CSNMoonMullin
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Marion Barbers eagerly awaited Bears debut may be at hand. The physical No. 2 tailback was able to practice in full Wednesday, the first time for that since he injured a calf muscle in the Tennessee Titans preseason game that has idled him on game days ever since.

The secondary also received a huge boost with the return to full participation of safeties Chris Harris (hamstring) and Major Wright (head), potentially giving the Bears their full complement of safeties in time for a Carolina offense in which two of the top three receivers (not including running back Jonathan Stewart) are tight ends Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey.

We have to play better at safety, its kind of as simple as that, coach Lovie Smith said. Youre always anxious to get your starters back out there. And for us, Chris Harris gives us an awful lot, another worldly veteran back there. Big hitter that can make plays. And of course getting Major back. Those guys did a good job. Brandon especially is making progress. But we want to have the entire group on hand this week.

The offensive line has been without two starters since the end of the first half in the New Orleans game. Thats when right tackle Gabe Carimi went down with a knee injury and joined right guard Lance Louis (ankle injury vs. Atlanta) on the sidelines.

Louis was active for the Green Bay game but only for emergency purposes. Chris Spencer started and played the entire game. This week Louis is a better bet to return as his ankle improves.

Lance Louis had a good day, coach Mike Tice said Wednesday. He was working hard and well keep getting him in there and see how hes doing and build the confidence up in his leg. Hopefully as the week progresses hell be more crisp and sharp and continue to get better. Coach Smith will make a decision on which direction were going to go.

It wasnt personal....

In the first game of last preseason, with the Bears adjusting to a new coordinator (Mike Martz) and his offense, they went into San Diego to open the preseason against the Chargers. Eight plays into the game, under a hail of blitzing from the Chargers, coaches pulled quarterback Jay Cutler.

The San Diego defensive coordinator: Ron Rivera, now head coach of the Carolina Panthers, whom the Bear host next Sunday. One belief at the time was that Rivera was intent on embarrassing the team that had let him go as defensive coordinator after the 2006 Super Bowl season.

Not so, says the architect of that evening of preseason mayhem.

One of the things we were doing, and if you watch all of last years preseason when I was in San Diego, we blitzed every game because we wanted to be a blitzing defense, Rivera said. We wanted to be aggressive. We wanted to attack people and it paid off.

It did indeed. The Chargers finished No. 1 in total yardage defense. They were No. 2 in sacks per pass play. They had 47 sacks, compared to the NFL average of 35.

From the day we came into mini-camp in the 010 season, we came in blitzing, Rivera said. Its what coach Turner wanted me to do. It was the mentality we wanted to develop. It just so happened we played the Bears in week one. The following week we played Dallas and did the same thing against New Orleans. That was just really what we wanted to do.
Who's on the hot seat?

ProFootballTalk.com is a must-read (usually quite a few times a day) for whos who doing whats what around the NFL, and Mike Florios hit on The McNeil and Spiegel Show at 10 a.m. on WSCR-AM 670 is always worth the time. Mike obviously tracks more than just the Bears, which means he puts the local gridders into an NFL perspective.

Mike posed the question of who will be on a hot seat Jerry Angelo or Lovie Smith if things continue to sour. If they struggle or lose to Carolina, theres going to be real trouble for Lovie Smith or Jerry Angelo, Mike suggested.

Not sure how true that will be internally, since the Bears have had four winning seasons in the past six. But Halas Hall likely will become an increasingly grumpy place to be.

Mike also pointed a questioning finger at O.C. Mike Martz, who is not turning the offense in any substantively positive direction. The reason: He wants to dictate to the defense without the horses to dictate, Mike said. That stubbornness has to go away.

Sundays Carolina game is a matchup between two 1-2 teams, but one with questions-in-waiting (Bears) and the other with a variety of axes to grind (Ron Rivera, Greg Olsen). Panthers-Bears is going to have some subplots that make this a compelling story nationally, Mike said.

The Detroit Lions are starting to make Bears fans more and more nervous but that could escalate exponentially after Sunday. The Lions travel to Dallas, and Mike noted that the defining eye-popper for the 85 Bears was the 44-0 annihilation in Dallas of the Cowboys. So as far as the Lions, you go into Dallas and come out with that pelt on the wall, you will definitely have everyones undivided attention.

Ill check in with Mac and Spiegs at our regular Thursday 10 a.m. spot. By then well have heard from Martz, Rivera, Cutler, Cam Newton and Mike Tice. Shouldnt be too hard finding a few things to noodle on.

Crammin Cam

Newton has spent time privately talking with Tom Brady about the craft of quarterback. He enlisted Warren Moon as an advisor even before the draft. For all of his athleticism, he has quietly studied the game and the people who play it right. The results, for a rookie quarterback, have been jaw-dropping.

The one who is perhaps least surprised is Newton. He was listening and it shows.

I admire the guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, who is a professional at what they do, Newton said. No offense to those guys, but they might not run the fastest 40, they may not jump the highestthey might not jump the farthest in the broad jump, but I guarantee you from what I've heard from their teams, you're not going to outwork them.

They're in the film study or they're watching film before the offensive coordinator is watching film. So I respect somebody that treats their job they way they go about handling it each and every day."
Yeah, but is he allowed to audible?

Not Carolina quarterback Newton. Tight end Greg Olsen.

Carolina coach Ron Rivera remarked recently that the former Bears tight end is a particularly cerebral player. His quarterback isnt quite so sure about that.

Uhhmm, Newton began, well, knowing Greg, he probably thinks that he is. And he makes every situation bigger than it really is. Numerous times, in each game, Greg's moment has been something that everybody laughs at.

Greg just thinks he's the guy that changes plays, and he over-thinks it while we're in a timeout. Just talking, you know: What's the play? Well, you know Cam, if they give us this...

Newton gently has to remind his guy, Greg, I've been practicing all week, too, I know this thing. He thinks he's the coach off the field, which is a good thing. You need guys like that, and that just shows you his professionalism for the game.

Olsen was traded last offseason to the Panthers despite catching 54 passes in 2008, second to Matt Forte, and 60 in 2009, leading the team, under then-coordinator Ron Turner. He was deemed a bad fit for the Mike Martz offense, the Bears declined his request for a contract extension and he was dealt.

Through three games Olsen has caught 12 passes, projecting out to a 64-catch season.
Not quite Ditka-Ryan II

This wont quite be Mike Ditka vs. Buddy Ryan but Lovie Smith vs. Ron Rivera does have some flavor beyond the normal coaching matchup. Ryan left by choice (he was never tired of reminding Ditka that hed been hired by George Halas, not Ditka), where Rivera simply was dis-invited to remain as Bears defensive coordinator after an assortment of differences with Smith.

But dont look for acrimony. The game obviously is of epic significance to Rivera, who was drafted by the Bears in 1984, played for them until the arrival of Dave Wannstedt, worked as an unpaid quality control assistant just to stay around the organization and get some experience with coaching, and came back as defensive coordinator under Smith. You never completely forget who gave you a major career break, which Smith did.

Rivera expressly said that this was not a normal game for him, which is understandable both from the standpoint of his Bears connections and also because he is exactly three games into his first job as head coach.

Smith has been at this a while and its been five years since he and Rivera split up. So Smith isnt looking at this as Lovie vs. Chico.

I dont think Ron is going to be out there but his football team is doing a heck of a job, Smith said. They lost a couple of tough games before this one Sunday. They found a way to win. Their record is the same as ours right now. Its a football game we both need to win.
Remember him?

If Matt Forte is wondering whether his offense went off and left him (right when he was hoping for a contract extension), how must DeAngelo Williams feel? Prior to the season the Carolina tailback signed a five-year, 43 million extension with 21 million guaranteed. Now Williams has all of 61 rushing yards on 27 carries and hes third on the Panthers in rushing behind Newton and Stewart.

The Panther have been led in rushing by each one for a game, none for much. Williams led in the week-one-loss to Arizona with 30 yards. Newton ran a team-high 53 yards in the loss to Green Bay. Stewarts 59 led in the win over Jacksonville.

John "Moon" Mullin is CSNChicago.com's Bears Insider and appears regularly on Bears Postgame Live and Chicago Tribune Live. Follow Moon on Twitter for up-to-the-minute Bears information.

History shows Week 5 or Week 6 could be when Mitchell Trubisky makes his first start

History shows Week 5 or Week 6 could be when Mitchell Trubisky makes his first start

The question of when Mitchell Trubisky would make his first career start was always going to be a storyline this year, but Mike Glennon’s rough showing in Week 2 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers brought it to the forefront of Bears-centric debate this week. 

Coach John Fox doesn’t want to deal in hypotheticals, and offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains shot down a question Wednesday about if Trubisky was taking snaps with the first-team offense in practice: “Mike Glennon is the starter.”

But when will Glennon not be the starter and give way to Trubisky? History shows you might want to circle Week 5 or Week 6 for Trubisky’s debut. 

Since 1997, there have been 33 quarterbacks taken in the first 10 picks of that year’s NFL Draft (we’re using top 10 here as a rough cutoff point for drafting a guy expected to be the future of the franchise). Trubisky and Kansas City’s Patrick Mahomes haven’t played yet. Among the 31 quarterbacks who have played, three waited at least one year to make their first start (Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers and Jake Locker). Of the 28 remaining quarterbacks, there’s an even split: 14 started from Game 1 of their rookie year and 14 made their first starts sometime between Games 2 and 17. 

Of those 14 quarterbacks who didn’t start immediately, they on average made their first start in their team’s sixth game of the season, which for the Bears would be Oct. 15's trip to face the Baltimore Ravens. The median of that group is Week 5, which is the Bears' home Monday night game against the Minnesota Vikings. 

Interestingly enough, none of them started their first game immediately after a bye week or even with an extra day of rest (i.e. the week of a Monday Night Football game). The Bears have 11 days off between facing Green Bay on Thursday, Sept. 28 and Minnesota on Monday, Oct. 9. 

Quarterback Draft year (pick) First start game # QB rating
Tim Couch 1999 (1) 2 73.2
Donovan McNabb 1999 (2) 7 60.1
Akili Smith 1999 (3) 5 55.6
Michael Vick 2001 (1) 8 62.7
Joey Harrington 2002 (3) 3 59.9
Byron Leftwich 2003 (7) 3 73.0
Eli Manning 2004 (1) 10 55.4
Alex Smith 2005 (1) 5 40.8
Vince Young 2006 (3) 4 66.7
Matt Leinart 2006 (10) 5 74.0
JaMarcus Russell 2007 (1) 16 55.9
Blaine Gabbert 2011 (10) 3 65.4
Blake Bortles  2014 (3) 4 69.5
Jared Goff 2016 (1) 10 63.6

Most of these quarterbacks didn’t have success parachuting in during the middle of a season — the highest quarterback rating among the group (Matt Leinart’s 74.0) is lower than the average quarterback rating for the 14 players who were starters from Week 1 (75.4). The three quarterbacks who waited at least a year to start had an average quarterback rating of 81.1, though that’s a small sample size. 

Among the last 10 top-10-picked quarterbacks, only two made their starting debuts in the middle of a season — Blake Bortles in the Jacksonville Jaguars’ fourth game and Jared Goff in the Los Angeles’ Rams 10th game — while Cam Newton, Ryan Tannehill, Robert Griffin III, Andrew Luck, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston and Carson Wentz started from Week 1 (Locker is the 10th guy here and started his first game a year after being drafted). So Trubisky, in not starting immediately for the Bears, would be somewhat of an outlier in recent history.

The Bears will have to hope that Trubisky is an outlier, too, in terms of initial success among quarterbacks who make their debuts mid-season, too.