Hawk, Hahn disagree on Moneyball

554980.jpg

Hawk, Hahn disagree on Moneyball

On the seminar stage at the Palmer House during SoxFest this weekend, Moneyball was both lambasted and praised.

Hawk Harrelson argued on Saturday that Moneyball was a "fraud" and tore into Billy Beane as a general manager, rhetorically asking how many playoff games those sabermetrically-oriented teams ever won. Hawk further dismissed the book and movie, saying he's neither seen or read the work, but doesn't need to because, as he puts it, it's a bunch of BS.

But on Sunday, assistant general manager Rick Hahn lauded Moneyball, saying he "enjoyed the book very much" as a learning tool. He added that it offered a good insight into how teams find market inefficiencies and run a business. Although, for Hahn, the movie had some inaccuracies, namely in how it didn't mention the A's stout pitching staff from the year.

There's been some consternation over sabermetrics this weekend, with some fans seemingly accusing the White Sox of using them not enough or too much. But, in reality, no team would ever strictly use stats or scouting to make a decision.

embedly_twitter_26630313background:url(http:a0.twimg.comimagesthemestheme1bg.png) C0DEED; padding:20px; embedly_twitter_26630313 pbackground:fff;padding:10px 12px 0px 12px;margin:0;min-height:48px;color:000;font-size:18px;line-height:22px;-moz-border-radius:5px;-webkit-border-radius:5px embedly_twitter_26630313 .embedly_tweet_contentbackground:fff;padding:10px 12px 10px 12px;margin:0;min-height:48px;color:000;font-size:18px !important;line-height:22px;-moz-border-radius:5px;-webkit-border-radius:5px embedly_twitter_26630313 p span.metadatadisplay:block;width:100;clear:both;margin-top:0px;height:40px; padding-bottom: 12px; embedly_twitter_26630313 p span.metadata span.authorline-height:15px;color:999;font-size:14px embedly_twitter_26630313 p span.metadata span.author aline-height:15px;font-size:20px;vertical-align:middle embedly_twitter_26630313 p span.metadata span.author imgfloat:left;margin:0 10px 0 0px;width:48px;height:48px embedly_twitter_26630313 p a color: 0084B4; text-decoration:none; embedly_twitter_26630313 p a:hovertext-decoration:underline embedly_twitter_26630313 .embedly_timestampfont-size:13px;display:inline-block;margin-top: 5px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .components-above span.embedly_timestampfont-size:10px;margin-top: 1px;line-height:12px embedly_twitter_26630313 a color: 0084B4; text-decoration:none; embedly_twitter_26630313 a:hovertext-decoration:underline embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-screen-name font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-full-name padding-left: 4px; color: 999; font-size: 12px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actionsmargin-left: 10px;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;width:250px embedly_twitter_26630313 .components-above span.tweet-actionsfont-size:10px embedly_twitter_26630313 .controlsline-height:12px!important embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actions a margin-left:5px embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actions a bfont-weight:normal embedly_twitter_26630313 .components-above span.tweet-actions a bvertical-align:baseline;line-height:12px embedly_twitter_26630313 .components-above .tweet-textfont-size:13px;vertical-align:baseline embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-image float: left; width: 40px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-user-block-image float: left; width: 48px; height: 48px embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-row margin-left: 40px; margin-top: 3px;line-height: 17px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-user-block margin-left: -40px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .stream-item padding-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 12px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .simple-tweet-image img margin-top: 4px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .simple-tweet-content margin: 0 0 13px 0px; font-size: 14px; min-height:48px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .in-reply-to-border border-color: EBEBEB; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 0 0; embedly_twitter_26630313 .in-reply-to-text margin-left: 4px; padding-left: 8px; padding-right: 10px; color: 999; font-size: 12px; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actions i background: transparent url(http:a2.twimg.coma1306889658phoeniximgsprite-icons.png) no-repeat;width:15px;height:15px;margin:0 4px -3px 3px;outline: none; text-indent:-99999px;vertical-align:baseline;display:inline-block;position:relative; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actions a.retweet-action i background-position:-192px 0; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actions a.reply-action i background-position:0 0; embedly_twitter_26630313 .tweet-actions a.favorite-action i background-position:-32px 0; @WhiteSoxTalkCSN
White Sox TalkHahn: "The data has got better than it was 15 years ago. There isn't a club out there that excludes scouting opinion."
Jan 29 via web Favorite Retweet Reply
embedly_twitter_75846883background:url(http:a0.twimg.comimagesthemestheme1bg.png) C0DEED; padding:20px; embedly_twitter_75846883 pbackground:fff;padding:10px 12px 0px 12px;margin:0;min-height:48px;color:000;font-size:18px;line-height:22px;-moz-border-radius:5px;-webkit-border-radius:5px embedly_twitter_75846883 .embedly_tweet_contentbackground:fff;padding:10px 12px 10px 12px;margin:0;min-height:48px;color:000;font-size:18px !important;line-height:22px;-moz-border-radius:5px;-webkit-border-radius:5px embedly_twitter_75846883 p span.metadatadisplay:block;width:100;clear:both;margin-top:0px;height:40px; padding-bottom: 12px; embedly_twitter_75846883 p span.metadata span.authorline-height:15px;color:999;font-size:14px embedly_twitter_75846883 p span.metadata span.author aline-height:15px;font-size:20px;vertical-align:middle embedly_twitter_75846883 p span.metadata span.author imgfloat:left;margin:0 10px 0 0px;width:48px;height:48px embedly_twitter_75846883 p a color: 0084B4; text-decoration:none; embedly_twitter_75846883 p a:hovertext-decoration:underline embedly_twitter_75846883 .embedly_timestampfont-size:13px;display:inline-block;margin-top: 5px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .components-above span.embedly_timestampfont-size:10px;margin-top: 1px;line-height:12px embedly_twitter_75846883 a color: 0084B4; text-decoration:none; embedly_twitter_75846883 a:hovertext-decoration:underline embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-screen-name font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-full-name padding-left: 4px; color: 999; font-size: 12px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actionsmargin-left: 10px;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;width:250px embedly_twitter_75846883 .components-above span.tweet-actionsfont-size:10px embedly_twitter_75846883 .controlsline-height:12px!important embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actions a margin-left:5px embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actions a bfont-weight:normal embedly_twitter_75846883 .components-above span.tweet-actions a bvertical-align:baseline;line-height:12px embedly_twitter_75846883 .components-above .tweet-textfont-size:13px;vertical-align:baseline embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-image float: left; width: 40px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-user-block-image float: left; width: 48px; height: 48px embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-row margin-left: 40px; margin-top: 3px;line-height: 17px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-user-block margin-left: -40px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .stream-item padding-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 12px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .simple-tweet-image img margin-top: 4px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .simple-tweet-content margin: 0 0 13px 0px; font-size: 14px; min-height:48px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .in-reply-to-border border-color: EBEBEB; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 0 0; embedly_twitter_75846883 .in-reply-to-text margin-left: 4px; padding-left: 8px; padding-right: 10px; color: 999; font-size: 12px; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actions i background: transparent url(http:a2.twimg.coma1306889658phoeniximgsprite-icons.png) no-repeat;width:15px;height:15px;margin:0 4px -3px 3px;outline: none; text-indent:-99999px;vertical-align:baseline;display:inline-block;position:relative; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actions a.retweet-action i background-position:-192px 0; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actions a.reply-action i background-position:0 0; embedly_twitter_75846883 .tweet-actions a.favorite-action i background-position:-32px 0; @WhiteSoxTalkCSN
White Sox Talk"It's a peanut butter and jelly issue. You can have both, so why choose one?" Hahn on sabermetrics and scouting. SoxFest
Jan 29 via web Favorite Retweet Reply

Today on CSN: White Sox square off against Padres

Today on CSN: White Sox square off against Padres

The White Sox are back in action in spring training as they square off against the San Diego Padres. Coverage begins this afternoon at 2 p.m. on CSN!

Probable starters: Jhoulys Chacin vs. Dylan Covey

Latest on the White Sox: All of the most recent news and notes

Channel finder: Make sure you know where to watch

In-Game Live: Follow along during the action all game

White Sox: Jose Quintana pleased with final warmup before Opening Day start

White Sox: Jose Quintana pleased with final warmup before Opening Day start

GLENDALE, Ariz. — Jose Quintana was pleased with his final warmup before Opening Day.

The White Sox Opening Day starter threw 48 pitches (30 strikes) against a Milwaukee Brewers minor league team at Camelback Ranch on Tuesday. Quintana allowed two hits, two runs (one earned), walked one and struck out three in three-plus innings. He next pitches at home on Monday against the Detroit Tigers.

"I finished my preparation on a high note," Quintana said. "I'm heading to the season with good energy and satisfied with all the worked and effort that I put in my preparation.

"I'm absolutely ready for the season to start."

A tweet from USA Today's Bob Nightengale on Tuesday suggested Quintana will start the season as a member of the White Sox despite myriad rumors. Nightengale noted that the Houston Astros refuse budge on what they're willing to pay for the 2016 All-Star. The White Sox have also held firm on their asking price and haven't been motivated by any of the offers they've received to move Quintana.

The team reduced the number of players still in camp to 34 on Tuesday with the trade of Peter Bourjos and by cutting nonroster invitees Cory Luebke and Matt Purke. Luebke, who has been sidelined for six days after he tweaked his hamstring, finished the spring with a 0.96 ERA in 9 1/3 innings. He can opt out of his minor-league deal in May. Purke struck out eight in eight innings and finished with a 2.25 ERA. 

Both had been in the mix for one of two open bullpen spots.

Fellow reliever Jake Petricka looked much calmer on Tuesday than he did after taking a comebacker off his hand Monday. X-rays were negative and Petricka played catch. He hopes to pitch as scheduled this weekend in Milwaukee. 

"This is just one of those you do everything you can do to stay healthy, and its part of the game you can't control," Petricka said. "You never want that to happen, especially this late in camp. "But we dodged a bullet and we're good to go."

The White Sox also had a close call with second baseman Tyler Saladino, who was hit by a pitch in the left wrist in minor league action on Monday. Saladino received treatment and could return to action on Wednesday.

"He's doing good, we're just holding him back today for my well being," Renteria said.

[Buy White Sox tickets right here]

Renteria said reliever Juan Minaya is improving but still likely to start the season on the DL. Minaya suffered an abdominal tear in mid-March. 

"He has been improving solidly and responding to the treatments," Renteria said.

Yolmer Sanchez went 2-for-2 with an RBI and scored a run in a 7-4 loss to the Kansas City Royals at Surprise, Ariz. 

Michael Ynoa allowed an unearned run and a hit in 2 1/3 scoreless innings. 

Zack Burdi struck out three in a scoreless inning.