Peavy shut down with shoulder discomfort

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Peavy shut down with shoulder discomfort

Sunday, March 20, 2011Posted 2:16 p.m. Updated 7:41 p.m.

By Brett Ballantini
CSNChicago.com

GLENDALE, Ariz. Chicago White Sox rehabilitating ace Jake Peavy has been shut down for today with shoulder discomfort after his start yesterday at the Oakland As.

The update today is not as positive as it has been, Peavy said. I have some issues that have popped up here. Obviously the doctors are here, and well just kind of monitor it on a day-to-day basis. Well shut down today from throwing. We started some anti-inflammatories trying to nip some stuff, maybe some rotator cuff tendinitis or something.

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Peavys next start, vs. the Chicago Cubs on Thursday, is in jeopardy.

But Im still staying positive, he said. At the same time, I have to make sure Im 100 percent healthy, and thats what is the main concern. Ive been up front and honest with everything Ive felt from Day 1. After seeing the doctors this morning, theyve decided were going to slow it down a little bit. Thats about where were at.

As a best case scenario, Peavy will be able to do some light tossing tomorrow and gets right back in line for his Thursday start.

I would think so, he said. Well come in tomorrow and kind of run through the same stuff, and hopefully play some catch. I doubt that Ill go out there and throw a bullpen tomorrow. But Thursday has not been ruled out throwing against the Cubs on my regular turn. Well see how it all plays out, but I certainly hope the anti-inflammatories get in the system and calm things down to where we can get out and stay on schedule.

Peavy, who is still fighting the flu that nearly scuttled his 83-pitch effort yesterday, did not have an MRI postgame or today, nor has he ever felt this shoulder sensation before.

He actually forecasted this development through eyes half-lidded from illness yesterday, speaking after his start vs. the As.

My shoulder was a little bit achy today. It oiled up. My whole body felt kind of sick and when you dont use somethingI know people think your shoulder should feel great because you havent thrownbut when you dont use something, your whole body is kind of achy. My shoulder was like that today. Well see how it feels tomorrow and the next few days. I want to pitch and be ready for that fifth start in Kansas City and well see if that plays out.

Ive always been extremely honest with you guys, and with Herm and those guys. Herm said, How do you feel? and I said my body is achy and my shoulder is a little bit achy. He said, Hey, what does that mean, and I said it just feels a little achy.

You get loose. I felt better in those last few innings throwing the ball than I did to start the game. I would be willing to say my velocity was a little bit better later than it was earlier.

Peavy, still fighting the flu, dismissed any thought that his aggressiveness toward breaking camp with the White Sox contributed to his current setback.

What Im experiencing has kind of been a culmination of start after start after start. Its kind of been coming since that first start vs. the Los Angeles Angels on March 4, Peavy said. You have soreness and different stuff pops up, but this is something that I kind of felt a tad after the Anaheim start and felt it a little more after throwing vs. San Fran. Its just been creeping up, and reared its head in the last week. Today, I didnt do so well in tests they wanted to put me throughIts been getting a little more uncomfortable as I keep going. We want to nip that in the bud and not let it mount into some bigger issue than it is.

But at the same time, Im thinking its just part of getting back into the routine. I threw for an awfully long time without any setbacks. Once you start going close to game speed like I have, things can pop up. Youre asking your body to do exactly what youre going to do in the regular season. It obviously has caused a little bit of discomfort. Its a small step back, and well re-evaluate the situation in the next couple of days to see where we go from there.

Ever optimistic, Peavy knows that any setbackwhich the White Sox have advised him all along is possibleshouldnt alter the fact that hes made enormous progress from an initial diagnosis that wouldnt have him back on the mound until July.

Im still holding out that we will nip this thing in the bud, kind of make some progress in the next couple of days, and get to run out there Thursday night, he said. I would love for that to happen and that certainly hasnt been ruled out, Ill tell you that. But if that doesnt happen and I dont make that start, I certainly wont be breaking camp with the teamYou have to have realistic expectations of what is going on, but Ive also been as positive and upbeat as I can be about getting out there as soon as possible.

The doctors said the first 48 hours will be a telling tale. Its a day-by-day kind of deal. Weve been going full-steam ahead since we started this thing, and we were told expect this. I wouldnt buy into it and I never expected it. Im not going to sit here and call it a setback because we dont know what it is yet. But certainly, things have slowed down.
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Peavys injury dominated Guillens postgame chat with reporters. Notably, Guillen expressed regret over betraying his own team ruleone that finds him determining when a player returns from injury, not the player. (Guillen is well-known for making a player wait one more game after informing the manager hes ready to return.)

What follows is an edited transcript of his comments regarding Peavy after Sundays game:

Im still thinking about when he didnt feel that well Saturday and I let him pitch. I take full responsibility. He left the game fine, except for some tightness. When he comes back, hopefully he comes back for good without another setback. Id rather he be set back now than in July or August. We have to be aware of how he is all year long. His injury is not a common thing.
Ozzie Guillen is taking responsibility for Jake Peavy's injury and says he will no longer let Peavy convince him that he's fine to pitch if there is any doubt that he's not. (AP)
Believe me, as long as I am the manager of this ballclub that is the last time he convinces me, he said. I will make the call. I will have the power to let him go out or not. I know it sounds powerful, but the last two times he didnt convince me, he convinced everybody else he could go out there and perform and the next day, and we got bad news. I am the manager of the club and I was the guy who was against Peavy pitching, but he said he was fine and ready to pitch. I have the full responsibility of my players, and at the end of the day its on my shoulders if people get hurt or not.

Jake Peavy will pitch the day I tell him to pitch. Hes not going to convince me. When I get the go-ahead from our pitching coach and medical staff hell pitchIm not going to get the go-ahead from him. I cant. Sorry. I cant.

Kenny can easily come to me and say I knew Peavy was sore, and I dont have any ammunition to protect myself and my coaching staff. I always blame myself, and when he told me Skip, Im ready to pitch I should have given him another couple of days to recover. Thats the way we do stuff.

Its not anything against him, or Im mad at him, or sad or upset. Its just because its happened twice. When you tell your kid, Dont do this, the kid keeps doing it, and you dont do anything about it, you are not doing your job. My job is to protect him and the organization, to make sure when hes out there hes good.

I respect him, because he wants to be out there. I love when players want to be on the field. Thats the best thing that can happen for any manager. Hes a different doghe wants to be out there fighting. He doesnt want anything else. Hes the type of guy who has the temper and passion for the game. He wants to help. Sometimes when you want to help, youre not really helping.

Im fine, we talked. Next time, he has to convince a lot of people, and I dont think its going to be enough, just talking, to convince anyone. We want to protect him, because when we protect him, we protect ourselves. Im going to protect myself not because of my job but because thats the way it should be. Its not because of me, but because of the White Sox, the team. No. 1, we have to protect him. Thats most important: To protect the players.

Opening Day is too close to be a possibility the way he sounds, thats another thing. The way he sounds, we shouldnt be counting on him for Opening Day. Maybe he comes in tomorrow ready to pitch, and then its, Whats going on heredo you want some time off? I know for a fact he wants to be on the team. We have to make sure when hes on the team, hes on the team for good.

Brett Ballantini is CSNChicago.com's White Sox Insider. Follow him @CSNChi_Beatnik on Twitter for up-to-the-minute White Sox information.

Lucas Giolito striving to contribute to White Sox 'as soon as possible'

Lucas Giolito striving to contribute to White Sox 'as soon as possible'

At one point, it was looking like Lucas Giolito could be headed to the White Sox in exchange for Chris Sale.

But when Sale was dealt to the Boston Red Sox, Giolito's name was in the clear of rumors — until 29 hours later, when the Nationals' top prospect would be headed to Chicago in a different trade, which sent outfielder Adam Eaton to Washington.

“It’s kind of like the world we live in now. Social media is always out there and everything is on Twitter,” Giolito said in a conference call Friday. “I saw my name being mentioned on Twitter for Chris Sale. I know with the winter meetings all sorts of stuff being thrown around. I was just trying to focus on what I’m doing in this offseason which is lifting and all my workouts. Kind of just whatever happens, happens. 

“It’s funny that Sale ended up going to the Red Sox and something else happens that I’m going to the White Sox now with a couple teammates. It’s really interesting stuff but I’m super excited.”

The move for Rick Hahn & Co. to acquire Giolito was the second major trade to begin the White Sox rebuilding process. But Giolito didn't come alone.

In addition, the White Sox received Reynaldo Lopez — who Giolito has played with since 2014 — and the Nationals' 2016 first-round pick Dane Dunning.

"I definitely think it’s amazing to be coming over to the White Sox with a bunch of young talent," Giolito said. "I think it’s a great opportunity for us to all develop and get better and hopefully put a really good team together in Chicago. Definitely excited to be coming over with a couple guys from my previous organization."

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Giolito went 6-5 with a 2.97 ERA and 1.28 WHIP across three minor-league levels this past season. He admitted his mechanics weren't quite in sync and is looking to improve on that.

"Sometimes things get out of whack. I believe I let too much get out of whack last year," Giolito said. "So this year with my training program I have in this offseason — lifting and Pilates and everything — I’m just trying to make sure that I can stay as athletic as possible so I’m able to repeat the right delivery more often. Once I start playing catch and doing bullpens and everything these next few weeks, right before spring training, I’m going to make sure I put that all together so I can repeat my delivery as best as possible."

His struggles continued when he got to The Show.

In his major-league debut on June 28, Giolito held the New York Mets to just one hit over four scoreless innings before a rain delay cut his night short. That turned out to be his most effective outing of the season as he finished the year with an 0-1 record, 6.75 ERA and 1.78 WHIP in six games with the Nationals, four of them being starts.

"(My MLB debut) didn’t go as well as I would’ve liked it to go, obviously, as you look at the numbers and everything," he said, "but I feel that with the White Sox now (and) getting traded and everything, it’s kind of like a fresh opportunity and a new start to get up to the big leagues again and contribute and do everything I can to stay there as well."

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Despite his low numbers, the 22-year-old Giolito believes he's ready to play on the White Sox main roster as soon as next season.

"I’ve had some experience in the big leagues last year," Giolito said. "Especially last year, I took a lot positives away because I did experience such a good amount of failure in a lot of I’d say like hardship when I made it up and didn’t perform up to what I believe is my best capabilities.

"I’ve pitched a good amount of innings in the minor leagues and I’ve had a little experience in the big leagues so I’m just really looking forward to making it up in the big leagues with the White Sox and contributing as soon as possible."

Rick Hahn, White Sox prepared to make more 'painful decisions' if the price is right

Rick Hahn, White Sox prepared to make more 'painful decisions' if the price is right

That Jose Abreu and Yoan Moncada have reunited is a nice story, but it won't dramatically change the mindset of the rebuilding White Sox, who earlier this week demonstrated they aren't messing around.

Abreu said in a statement issued by the White Sox on Friday that he's "very happy" about the prospect of again playing alongside Moncada, who played 12 games with the star slugger in 2012 for Cienfuegos in the Cuban National Series. Moncada, 21, is the centerpiece of a four-player package acquired from the Boston Red Sox for Chris Sale on Tuesday, a toolsy infielder who MLB.com has rated as the No. 1 prospect in baseball.

While the concept of Abreu mentoring Moncada has plenty of merit — the first baseman's work ethic is outstanding, and he's beloved by coaches and teammates — don't think the White Sox would hesitate to trade him if someone paid the right price. White Sox general manager Rick Hahn just spent four days at the Winter Meetings discussing how a team that just traded away its best pitcher and position player remains open to listening to all offers and is prepared to do what is must to get the franchise healthy again. 

"We're extremely open-minded on ways to continue the process that we started," Hahn said earlier this week, adding that the White Sox "have to make some painful decisions."

The White Sox have grown tired of never having all the pieces — or even more than a few — to fill the holes created by injury, poor performance, etc. They want to be flush with young talent and essentially have said anything that isn't nailed down at Guaranteed Rate Field is available with the exceptions of Tim Anderson and Carlos Rodon.

The team wants to cash in on the chips it possesses.

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While they don't have a ton, the few the White Sox have could help expedite a rebuild process as the Sale and Eaton trades have shown. Those deals brought back seven players, including three who played at the big league level last season (Moncada, Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez). Some of those players potentially would start 2017 in the big leagues, and that possibility increases the internal value of Abreu and starting pitcher Jose Quintana, who is equally revered among teammates and coaches for his dedication and team-first mentality. 

Having those young players see firsthand what it takes to excel in the majors from veteran teammates is invaluable. Abreu, who arrived in the United States from Cuba in late 2013, addressed that point in his statement about Moncada, who signed with Boston in 2015.

"Moncada is a five-tool player," Abreu said. "He really has everything needed to succeed, and I know that with the proper guidance of veteran players and coaches with experience he can become an All-Star caliber player."

"He is going to make a huge impact in the White Sox organization, and both the fans and the team will be thankful.

"I already spoke with him to welcome him to the team. I told him that I'm going to be there for him for everything that he needs on and off the field."

In a conference call Wednesday, Moncada said he's "thrilled" to once again play with Abreu. Whether they will hasn't yet been determined.

When asked about Moncada's 2017 starting point earlier in the week, Hahn said the 21-year still needs to develop. Moncada appeared in eight big league games last season for Boston and struggled with contact, striking out 12 times in 20 plate appearances. But that promotion came after a meteoric rise through Boston's farm system, an aggressive path that included only 45 games played above High-A. Nothing has been announced, but it appears Moncada will receive an invite to big league camp next spring and be seated near Abreu in the clubhouse. 

Still, Hahn sounds like he intends for Moncada to spend much of 2017 refining his approach in the minors. He also has demonstrated he is willing to dig deep and make more painful moves if it betters the team in the long run, all of which means the White Sox wouldn't hesitate to trade Abreu or Quintana if they get what they want.