Mike Florio of pro football talk dot com editor kind enough to join us on short notice didn't wanna talk you about the rookie symposium notes. Two days. But is that enough to let these kids know sort of what's in store for them at the next level. Mean at the starting point era under that the kid didn't show up this year let the mandatory couldn't be mandatory the league wasn't wasn't producing hit but. Yet it -- could be an ongoing process and every team has a player development director and the idea in theory. They help these kids through the ups and downs through the challenges become a professional athlete. It isn't always effective otherwise wouldn't be reading about guys getting himself into trouble but I think the information there. The players have to want it that's the mind that to happen at them myself where I'm gonna be smart with my money. And then be realistic about my career I'm gonna accept the fact that that I'm not invincible and the plant for my future and ethical and I don't obviously I was 2120 years or leave it on it. Two years down the road you -- 65 years down the road want to think about it here right now so I think that the sooner that the kid bust through that mentality is better off the have been. Yeah I don't wanna wait through your rookie any of the two day symposium and some of these guys go some don't some sleep through it some text through it you know they're on their tweeting. I wanted to be something where you actually say while your in college at a major program and aspirations of being a pro put that's what you're majoring in. That's like hit anybody -- majoring in being a professional athlete at least let them know and had expert come in to help them prepare for life. After football or at least during football. I got the break point that is the problem if you're completely candid with the kids when they're in college and you say to them and only 5% that you're ever gonna earn any money playing pro football. The other 95% instead and why are we here. But you're also going to get things that help you. In life. You write you write and you get something tangible -- it gives you an idea and mindset to accept the fact that at some point your football career is gonna -- whether it's when your college career and whether capped a one year the NFL whether after twenty years in the NFL at some point you've got a transition to a different life altogether and I think college to the best time to prepare them for that. Roger Goodell to commissioner goes to the rookie symposium. How big -- step is obvious that he goes there and almost crosses the line to the other side justice today. You know -- working well working hand in hand on this. Excellent legitimizes what the NFL PA decided to do and the fact that. It could go on the -- met the head of the players' union flew on the same plane to Florida they're flying back on the same play in Minnesota I don't know if there's certain. You know next -- each -- -- hands but symbolically -- suggest that these two -- have finally gotten kind of relationship. Had to have long term labor peace and it still may be some bumps in the road in the short term. But it was critical that rocketed down the more Smith having a relationship of trust and friendship to have true long term labor peace like the league had. Went Paul Tagliabue and Gene Upshaw with the with the two leaders at their respective parties. But every negotiation. And all the work stoppages that I've covered and that's been lockouts and strikes. It seems like they're very close each side knows what the other ones tipping point games. So without boring the audience with minutia. Of you know deet -- that they couldn't care less about. Is there one or two things that you look at you say when that happens we will have a DO. I think it is coming up for the final agreement on how the money that'd be -- to be split there's been some different concepts thrown out there one of the things -- been hearing there recently is that it may be. Defense that we've had the past couple weeks it's inevitable -- gonna get done. Maybe there's been a little bit of playing with the numbers by the owners in the -- and frustration on the part of the players that the owners maybe aren't as willing to go. As far as the players thought and they got to get through that they've got to come up with a split on how the money going to be divided I think once you get to that moment everything else falls into place. All the other agreements are going to be easy to reach for the two rookie wage scale whether it you know that that question of whether the federal courts are gonna have. Oversight of the agreement one dispute -- all those other issues all over the place when you reach an agreement on I got a couple of money. -- Jamaica the reaction when we had Eli Manning on talking about Tiki Barber. Well I'd I'd I'd listen to it and and I listen to -- to Europe follow up yesterday and and I got it. I understand where -- coming from. But I understood articulate coming coming -- those comments -- -- a couple of times it didn't seem mean spirited and just want the job that he now patter that he had the time. As a member of the media but I can see why Eli wouldn't like it how we can use it as motivation. The Super Bowl in 2007. It -- on the team. Or -- is -- out there taking shots at Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning at football players and coaches know how to take that external motivation to turn it into positive. -- -- -- -- -- Helping him get to where it got but he wasn't out there saying bad things about competent man. I think that Tiki got into the broadcasting Booth into the studio and and set I'm gonna show people I mean business. And I'm not afraid to take on the New York Giants my coach. And my quarterback I think that a lot of these players get pushed into that or they deciding goal there to prove they are not afraid. I think that -- Tiki -- and I do agree with you I think Eli used to -- as motivation I think Coughlin used and his motivation and I think that team did to that your. Especially Tiki Barber even going to be the next Matt Lauer he came in to NBC what -- expectation. Either he or his agent did anything to dial those back. He embraced that he accepted that he believed he was going to be a superstar in the media. And what does a superstar in the media do a superstar in the media cares about from the moment he starts and that's what he tried to do and you can argue in many ways that help contribute to doubt. Yeah and I know what he was saying and he's not the only giant player to say this about Eli Manning they all wondered about his leadership but he's not a demonstrative guy. He's being compared to his brother I understand all that. He probably could've done it in a little bit more delicate way. But I'm not I'm not here to say you know that that he was the only guy who felt that way and I think that he's been hated as well. Tiki said it they're guys who said his privately. Name guys who said this privately about -- questioned him and not so I think that Tiki probably -- everything else that's going on in his life. Dad just sort of pile on with the -- us for the fallout from the us. But that's the right to -- Back that Giants team at 2007. What an eclectic in that mix of personalities. Between Plaxico Burress Michael Strahan Eli Manning not stepping up and being the typical. Demonstrative leadership type of quarterback it's amazing in hindsight that they were able to get it together. And I really do -- -- -- he's been on that team they wouldn't have been able to get it against. As Terrell Owens plays less and. I'm sorry to -- I think -- them. He's going to be a guy who would be healthy come November December and there's a contender out there this feels like it needs the guy that can they can stretch the defense or -- it is intended as a receiver who get injured. Terrell Owens did -- 2004 season with the Eagles. Maybe Terrell Owens becomes attractive on a rental basis it's not enough time for -- -- the organization from the inside out. If he's only there for 45 weeks I think is best bet would be do everything he can't get healthy and sit back and wait to get an opportunity -- late season. -- I think he should because it is that. He's not tied for number two all time in receiving touchdowns he owned the number two spot receiving yardage. The question becomes what will be human being in the room hold against him at the fight is this the passive aggressiveness the -- he's. That and did declare a team apart or will they. They'd say well you know maybe the PR's that should have done a better job protecting Terrell Owens from himself maybe we're talking -- blame him he never took plays off. I've heard one voters say Randy Moss. Is the guy most likely to be passed over once or twice instead of -- because even alone could be a pain in the rear end off the field. He never quit on the field where as Randy Moss didn't. Who if you had one vote on the same ballot. Would you vote for Terrell Owens -- Randy Moss. I think ready not because I think -- mark that his best. What the most dominant receiver we've ever seen when he chose to be the most dominant receiver we've ever seen. Yeah I think TO with those numbers. People are gonna factor in personality than the differences if this was the Baseball Hall of Fame. Then I would say he would not go in first ballot but the football hall of fame unless they give him the Michael Irvin treatment he should go win. -- to discuss factory in the numbers they're now they may be a factor in you know how he fractured some teams. But I I don't think you're supposed to factor in too much off the field and Utley did hurt Michael Irvin but I think. Terrell Owens don't hold him. -- not as a factor in any of that but again it's human beings are making the decision and the thing is. Michael Irvin ended up having to wait a couple of years because Trulli of off field troubles Toronto got in trouble it never gotten it probably got in trouble is now. But he never got arrested he's never been in any type of of real controversy but because of the things -- said. Because of the -- that he spent from media attention that's that's hurt his image and and a lot of people don't realize how great his numbers indicate they pick appeal and -- think of but the controversy about the production. -- -- Mike thanks for joining us and Mike Florio of the editor pro football talk dot com.