Well you know He would inside the stadium He had been subjected to so much abuse that the security teams silk. Than getting him out of the stadium they haven't been a small room underneath Wrigley getting out of the stadium might beat. Tricky that people might be waiting performed so what they did was. Yeah and take off his headphones when -- comes out and they and they dressed in America white windbreaker. In in a security guard at. And they haven't come out as part of their team. Pan and they were gonna they -- gonna walk -- you know out of out of danger zone but in fact that stands spotted them. So -- -- something. Invasion of the body snatchers when you see Donald Sutherland pointing you know power. For one of -- less from being humans and a lot of people keep running it so American it. Erica it took him. To her look. Apartment which -- is not far from Wrigley Field and just kept in there until they help the coast was clear. You make a parallel with Bill Buckner with the Red Sox mum. But there was a healing process and ain't nothing like a couple World Series titles to help the healing process. Where -- -- Buckner or with any kind of healing process with what happened with the Cubs. -- wouldn't -- we're being -- B. Yeah well you know I think I can -- when. He's. A -- and really anything wrong but I think Portland. Has decided to stay out of alignment it's hard to know what He Bears a grudge. Whether He still haunted by a that that that night -- I do know He was pretty shaken up by that night. But in any event he's determined. To remain out of the limelight. I suspect that a congress and the cub since while many of them have long since forgiven -- a lot and still compare crunch. It's going to be hard for a reconciliation happen actually get to the same thing happened to the Red Sox which is. They wouldn't. He didn't that's when suddenly became easier for the human process take place with Bill Buckner. I mean the -- they -- sucks for Jay Bill Buckner exposed. I don't think there was much to forget their hitter. But I think. Bill Buckner had to come to a moment where He felt comfortable enough. He and forgiving. That you really didn't understand -- -- -- blamed the media actually when He says. Before He was able to come back to Fenway Park and throw out the first ball and 2008. What do you want people to leave watching that documentary what what's the feeling they should have in your mind when they are done with watching catching Hilton. Well look I think there's -- saying it's really about being a fan in some ways. And since we all you know experience sports with great passion that's what's fun about it if you don't get worked up about it's not fond. But it's the same time something weird happens when we lose. Loose and particularly when we lose is close to victory and particularly when you're a long suffering fans. And it -- mechanism that takes over which says let's find somebody or something to blame. And that process of creating a C code on I think it is something that probably exists and all of us to some extent and I guess. If I had one thing for people -- take away and tried to put ourselves and see what it is that we do that not only at the ballpark but outside the ballpark. He's -- give me the director catching hell be on the mother ship tonight it to 8 eastern. If it if you look at it and you know -- availability or lack thereof how close did you get to him to see if He would cooperate. We tried every which way but lose to lose to get them and indeed profiled in espn.com. Reporter winged racecar who stopped him and I actually did. You know who come upon him in the parking lot. But it's important friends are very faithful to him and don't want to give him up and she remained adamant about. Not wanting to come forward and Venus has turned out hundreds of thousands of dollars and inducements to soak. So at some point I actually thought that it was sitting well you know as so make sure as a journalist Jorge -- that -- -- -- so it was more important. To lead him out in the way and that. Once the film by his absence but that's very much of an important part of the story that his determination. To not participate. It in the film became an interesting part of the pale. That reminds me of bill -- the great writer from Sports Illustrated He did an article on looking. For Bobby Fischer He was searching for the chess genius and -- eventually found him. And then found that the story was better by not talking to Bobby -- it was everybody else talking about him but He had one question for him Alex. What would be the one question when -- -- I'd want him to walk me through that night because I'm still very fit and how it all turns. And I'd -- walk me through that night. Does He live in Chicago. -- Chicago area. Did you send a copy of this too and we did we ever Barrett will good luck tonight with -- Alex thanks for joining us. And thanks to Canada you should know that you appear in the film to that moment when the Steve Hartman. Imposter calls it ESPN. Did you let's send me a copy of and Alex. Maybe it's best if it maybe is -- you don't I -- live that's one of the toughest moments I ever had on sports editor. Because -- it was live TV and we thought we had Steve -- calling and so I'm glad I could be a part of your career. We we know who we -- delighted that again. Thank you by the way I did refused to participate in the -- just like apartment you have to. Thank you Alex. Alex Alex give me.