You did the interview with the scent dusty back in November. If if there's no verdict today just goes -- the weekend. Your thoughts on what that means for this trial. Yet you're better -- best in Savannah Guthrie or somebody and NBC who really holds in all the legal degree I'd just be guessing. I I would think the longer. It goes. The more hope it gives the defense not that he'll be let off completely but that may be have been let off on some of the counts. -- -- this is the first full day of deliberations he knows they may they may come back. With the verdict today. Every one knows this it's almost in all Montrose. No matter what the charges. There's a presumption of innocence however this thing has played out largely public. And to believe the defense's version of events. A widespread. Conspiracy. It seems to me to be a much greater leap that to just look at the stuff at face value one thing after another after another. And his own responses and even though you're obviously allowed not to take the stand. When someone does not take the stand in their own defense. Someone whose lawyer put him on national television at the outset. Now does not take the stand in his own defense and we're told the reason is but that would have been countered. Like damning testimony from his -- adopted son. Tom. You know -- that the -- there it doesn't appear to be much other conclusion to draw. Than that mr. sandusky is gonna spend the rest of it like behind bars. What what are you still have on your mind. -- from November when he said don't send us in that stayed with him. Well I I just tried to ask the questions that I thought were pertinent and stay alert to what he was saying I had no idea how we would respond. I'm sorry that that one segment. That now has been replaced many times that -- shall replace it might mean usually plated it was a re post and on the NBC website it was always out there and transcript form. But that one segment did not make it that night in November. And sometimes you know the stand under the pressure of time and there are other segments you try to fitted in imperfect judgments may be made. -- I was lobbying but gently because I was kind of parachuted in from the sports division to do this. I was lobbing lobbying gently for a little more time. And had we been given another minute and a half for sure. That segment would've been included but it needed. It needed something to -- that didn't just the question you needed -- Huskies. Answer. -- two preceding question. Where he said what you know through the years I've helped many people. And I'm sure that many people would testify -- how my. -- methods were helpful to them and it benefited greatly and that's what prompted my question which. How to premise attached to it and I thought the premise was that important as the question. Which is that. Aren't you describing. The gamble. But classic MO many had a files which is that they gain the the trust of potential victims and they don't necessarily victimize everyone makes -- the contact with through the second mile foundation. You must've come into contact with hundreds if not thousands of kids. And no one decision abuse the mall you have eight official victims at that time that was the number in the grand jury report and and perhaps more to come so was it an entirely possible. That you might not have victimized some of them but hardly victimized others and it was at that point that he answered. In a way that. Unwittingly and it seemed to me -- a lot of things unwittingly that night unwittingly seemed to imply. Well. Yeah I didn't go after all of them for sexual needs whoa whoa. You know that that -- you sit up and take notice and not just in retrospect but that night and I -- -- with great great respect. From my colleagues there they get a good job under time constraints. There's no better newsman on television and Brian Williams and -- was by the way it was not about the editing of this he wasn't in the room. Bomb but in. In retrospect. And also that night I wanted that question and answer included but the decision was that for time reasons they couldn't but they did post it right away. Yeah they played it on The Today Show and I know was available it was just all the sudden the trial. And then it came up again like why was it being kept out and I I you know it happens sometimes when you're doing something. You don't have to lead editorial control your sports guys news story wait a minute can I say something. My overstepping my boundaries here. It just seems like what he said. I never understood this and you can only because you're in the moment -- David Stern was more upset -- Jim Rome's question. The Jerry sandusky was -- I would suggest he was a had a far. Doubt that one of the things that struck people -- that was. The you know I don't wanna resort to a cliche but the weird. Nature of his responses in the and the tone of his voice -- -- he understood what he was I don't know he didn't sound like he was mentally competent to be able to process what you -- saying that he lives in his own little world. And and if anything he was probably even less. Sharp I don't know -- he's ever sharp on this because -- to make an obvious case that. He's in some state of denial about his own actions and his own. Motivations but at that particular time. -- all the stuff was just coming to light and Osama actually be I don't know if you missed taking medication at the time but remember that his attorney Joseph Amendola. Set up and suggest that this it was not sandusky is idea sandusky agree to whatever dole suggested and I Amendola was sitting next to me. On the set arms distance away at Mike so at any time he couldn't jump in and clarified or tried to reshape -- responses what said you know I don't think Jerry wants to answer this question we'll have. We'll address that later in court never once. Did he do that what I concluded my questions for sandusky then I turned -- -- -- and ask him a few questions and I think a couple of them. Made -- that night something to keep in mind in fairness NBC. At that time. It wasn't just sandusky guilt and innocence and his actions it was also was going on at Penn State. What would be the fate of Joseph Paterno. What about the response to the Penn State students. So sub questions to sandusky about his relationship with the -- what do you think Paterno knew how to he acts towards you after you work. No longer officially a coach but we're still around the Penn State program. Those questions -- pertinent. And they had to be included two. And and so you know you know what the exigencies of television -- And in in that in that moment I think overall NBC news did a very very good job. But the one mistake was that that Warren. Question which now appears so revealing that one question should have been included but I Wilson pitched a lot of people speculated -- swiftly. That NBC somehow. That read that well we'll begin BC's motive that was interest thing in provocative information and hole that you would provocative that. That would there was absolutely no motivation and in no way. -- NBC news say hello this is too hot to handle all we'll cover for the defense here. It is just just as simple either it's it's an error in judgment that's what it is or it's something that you can debate. I would have you wouldn't have but that there's just one of those decisions that happens in the heat of the moment when when your putting television.