CTL: Was 2012 a success for the White Sox?
Wed, 3 Oct 2012|
Wednesday's Chicago Tribune Live panel debates if it was a successful season for the South Siders or not - 10/3
If you're a fan your expectations are different then if you're Hank Steinbrenner. Mean you you don't you don't expect the same things necessarily. If -- if -- those people if you're -- Steinberg yet you expect every year to win a title because we have the money to do what you you have the resources you do that. If you are in no that's not us -- You don't necessarily have to define success that what you are defined success rate those that if you are entertained all year in -- -- -- -- you don't win that's ridiculous you're. I was angry because I think from that's similar because I think Yankee fans do have the exact single under the Steinbrenner has a do you think that the program for an organization like their fan base like that there is that -- -- because they know -- on the board there and here. And I think what's your goal with campus there's a lot like Kenny Williams is your it's. You're breaking the season done in a small microcosm -- and feeding off the -- those microcosm been disappointing the last two weeks is telling you are -- this feels awful so this is -- successful I think when cooler heads prevail and you go back and look over the season as a whole and the progress you're making -- -- you don't see it as a day by day week by week month by month things he is up in the larger picture figures he does as a stepping stone to the next level of success to get back to where you were in 2000. In under your three then then there's not if the Sox would have gone. 77 and 8485. That's no different than 84 and 87 or 61 and a hundred or not it's entertaining it makes no difference not as entertaining but it's certainly not a success. You can be satisfied collapsing down the stretch and that's -- don't know now. Yeah. I don't know everything you've just got to try different you know that's that's different you're using the word success they went three and twelve and again -- -- the class or not it was 4185. And what -- and finished second place in the division I mean it that all the better -- scoring and look at it. -- -- success than the market for me okay. But you're also going to if you had said like thanks Steinberg the beginning of the year you have to contend this is a division winning team a a league leading team. And then this happens -- and I can see your standpoint for your operating from. Well looking backwards and and and judging -- on the past two weeks of the past month vs. What your expectations should have been of this team did they exceed your expectations of what you originally thought that is a purist definition of success and if that exceed your expectations. Did it reach the ultimate goal no but it's got it got a little bit closer than. Thought it was not an overall Baltimore opened let's say that this is seasons weren't a success if they don't -- advanced into the World Series and more when the metal -- the national walked up to Dan Duquette had said Baltimore you get knocked out on Thursday in the wild card game. He though it was not successful fun. We're better not success I would disagree I guess they would say it to you it was a huge -- recover and Ed lynch when he was the GM or were you -- baseball and -- is off base because Arab. Ever standing at one his disgusting press conferences when he said we don't play big game since September. Really I don't hear -- threat to Lovie Smith as much as I'm not a fan of his. When he stands up there every year the start of camp it's. We're trying to win a Super Bowl right now. Did -- get it done. Maybe not they're not successful but he he try I'm tired of teams in this town they set up yeah we had a nice year we won 85 you know. So get your way I. So what you're looking for news a Lovie Smith analogies you're looking for the lip service at the beginning. Yeah because that's what that is why Ellis -- although I want that to be all they know Scott is there -- way or Robin Ventura came out and said our goal this year is to win a World Series because that's would you wanna hear from me right now and they don't believe for a second and no one else that I still wanna hear. You still wanna hear yeah that's why -- want to -- I don't know why the Tom -- -- right now at this team and I -- have team without Derrick Rose doesn't have a snowballs chance -- hell of -- he said I just went down I. Think we can still win the title with this thing do you believe what did you think he really I didn't believe him so -- with open what purpose does that serve them I'm rolling right when you nerds what's the purpose. If you're seeing it just for the sake of saying at the what's the point -- things I don't think they're set I don't think Lovie says it for the sake of saying it. I don't think Kenny today for the sake I think Kenny does either. But again it all depends on how you're going to find success and I don't think deciding what to win the job when they got three up on the tigers' Kenny went to bed thinking we can win this again brought in here everybody did get up. If if you know and they're even going a little alleyways when you're out you guys go out. I was -- I lower strata same thing you have no matter what happened I mean what it would if they're coming. The last these last two weeks three games behind the Tigers and finished three games behind the Tigers. You would have thought what would you thoughts if you would have said to Kenny Williams if they had you're -- you're Rivera Rodriguez behind -- -- that would please -- which nobody expect him to be at the beginning of the season three games behind -- -- power house team is a bullet on September 19 there -- three games behind and how they finish three games behind the lead changed your view of it at all. Well if you listen to Ken Williams on May first you're going to be laying about on September 15 in the three games up and you're gonna think you're gonna win it what do you believe -- Yes I think you what are. Because he had all those guys she's gonna lay in -- too perfect you know we have a really gonna win a single guy's going to bed into his -- -- decisions -- -- we are not a shot was -- where we're gonna collapse like a house or your. You're you're basically -- -- -- moment to moment how. I'm 62 game season and again just. Completely eliminating the first 111 saying it was a nice story but it's not success.