CTL: Can Bears beat the top teams?
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Tue, 20 Nov 2012|
After the Bears' embarrassing loss, the CTL panel discusses the team's record and if the Bears are capable of beating good teams - 11/20
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I think last night they they lost the right to call themselves one of the elite teams and I think they did that -- going on national TV not showing up. And you'll Lovie -- been since 2004. And and -- the marks of his tenure that he always had his team ready go he's he's a pretty steady guy they're consistent. In terms of performance but I cannot remember maybe 2009 against the Bengals. But I can't remember a more disappointing effort overall from the Bears and Lovie. And just a total collapse for every facet of the game they didn't compete. They didn't execute. Hi this show emotion until Brandon Marshal yelled at a teammate in terms of just bad losses this is right up there in the top two or three since what he's been here. And we can expect Lovie to you know not throw players under the bus -- and you know I don't need him yelling and screaming that's not his personality and that's fine but. You would like him to come out and just speak the truth a little bit I mean sure he did say they played poorly but he said he was happy with their effort. -- of the efforts. Padraig is there were out hit now song didn't degree room and when your football player judging your toughness. Good things happen during didn't give up apply your technical suffer you miss a tackle that's what happens is pro football when you get out hitting. How when you look soft as a team that's what the Bears did they were soft last night. And they brought the Little League parents foreigners brought diversity parents that's what I saw smoke they can -- consistently hit a long night fairly run the football. We -- -- can all time to throw. There's no pass across the Bears were outplayed their outplayed physically that's what bothers me because you can break just came down from different you when you get outplayed physically. That's the tapes and showed that tape strongly right now a sort of look at us in Minnesota Vikings looked -- -- this team isn't as scary as we thought there and who you think the Vikings into next week. -- -- -- coach Frazier -- the give the -- Adrian Peterson forty times as they try to stop us. Yeah I mean I think they're when you look at that list that you showed before that really says it all for me I mean I'll listen to it. Who have beaten the teams that they've beaten and in the Colts -- turned out to be a better team than we expected the Cowboys are starting to play. -- football their 500 now so I guess you can look at those wins and say that they're pretty solid victories given the circumstance put. You know against the best teams only now I understood that the that this statement. Of the two games that we were supposed to see gets marred by the fact that Jay Cutler was hurt hurt you -- three fourths of the two game you know he was not available obviously the second half. Last week and didn't play last night that changes a lot but. You know these are supposed to be -- games where you found out. Sort of what the Bears are against some of the better teams in the league the fact of the matter is Sampras just goes back a quarterback played great. Lit it up and they shredded the -- and every facet of the game last night and the Bears looked like a team like like we've also there really just didn't show up so to me. You know it's clouded a -- certainly about what happened but -- lobbyists say listen we're still seven and three. -- you are 73 but I mean how good really RU. But nobody wins anything in November and the thing is that it's great conversations it's it's tremendous the NFL. Interest that it it generates because we all want to evaluate where the Bears are they elite aren't daily we're doing that since week one. What are the win over the Colts mean to the mean they're offensive back what we have learned that it wasn't. But in the NFL you're never more than two weeks away from prosperity your -- for it in two weeks ago the Bears were looking pretty good but it's two weeks from now. The complexion can be very different so. I do think that. Jay Cutler would not make any difference last night the only difference it would -- -- accident waiting to happen after every pass play so -- right -- the Bears did last I was leave him home. But exactly but that. That's because everybody played poorly but what do you -- about -- how they do we not give him enough credit that somehow this team rallies and plays better when he found -- because -- He buys time with the speech he gets sacked eleven sacked 28 times but prior wouldn't have been sacked 38 times if not for the athletic ability in innate sense in the pocket. He makes plays. And that's not a knock against Jason Campbell but there's just a swagger a difference the Bears at that point that we're catching people last night there psychologically they're beaten they walked on the field. When you have your starting quarterback. I know the 49ers didn't either but you're home the Bears are every excuse available at psychologically you know they used it. The other thing though too I think that when it comes to color vs other quarterbacks in there colors now played in this system long enough where he knows he's not getting consistent protection I mean. The Bears offensive line may look good at stretches but at some point during the season they're gonna have a complete debacle like they did. Last night I think that Jay Cutler is used to having so little time to throw. That if you throw somebody else in there and expect them to play quarterback with this poor protection is he saw last night. They're gonna struggle and a small sample size of games the bottom line is Cutler is the only quarterback really believed that pass to take this kind of arrest. And this kind of -- lack of protection each and every week so you put a guy like Campbell in there. You put any backup quarterback and he's there he's. Did you look on -- Mays I'm right there and -- that -- I still walk up the field thing I quit I. Again I can't take it anymore.
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Actually well it's going to be interesting to see how much his trade value is because it's so hard to find good starting pitching a lot of teams will take a chance and overpay for starting pitching but defense is on the market to. Unfortunately in the of the other people are not a lot of the Marty that's a thing of what do who becomes available may be July 1. Maybe there aren't that many guys and guards as market value shoots up because he might be the best guy out there and they know they can get a from the Cubs sell a team that needs a starting pitcher to put you over the top. That always happens in baseball teams overpay all the. I'm OK so whoever cub rotation. Is around August 1. Probably Travis Wood because they're paid him nothing Smart Jeff. So far for sure I I was gonna ask you about that than just some he confuses me because. They haven't done a long term deal this is the last year of his deal right and he's not a free agent he's not freedom but but I he would I don't know they've worked on something but he that he confusing because he's a Jim Hendry hold over. And I'm not sure worthy but I don't think IA did evaluate and I. Not I guess they've overvalued him I think that they see a lot more than once there I don't think he's the top of the rotation guy debris of two. I think he's an that best of three maybe four he's been inconsistent to me he's like Jon Garland. He's gonna have a couple of good outings he's gonna have a couple of terrible outings he's gonna be about a 500 pitcher his ERA is looking better. He's he's made he's really developed as a pitcher you know they know what to do with the when he first came up. But he hasn't shown that consistency where you can say this guy can be our race he's gonna be a guy who could win twelve or fifteen games and moved. The let it get Garza goes up for the next seven weeks. And pitches like an ace well that's item two point nine. I don't think did this season their long term plans that this is there were a rebuilding this gonna take a few years I don't think that Matt Garza is the guy that they're gonna. Garza was outstanding last I mean pitch phenomenally well but the bullpen again. Ridiculously. Bad so today Shawn Camp with a sprained ERA I mean told the is on the fifteen day DL level what happens. Awfully yes that give up a grand slamming on the did I I hate when that I mean I want someone to explain it I'm not sure fire unveils claim. But in the sixth inning when don't put men on base he went right to the bullpen it said OK this is the game right here. I'm using my best guy James Russell. He used them for one to get back to seven pitches. That was a questionable strike three or ball they call little ball you look like the guy might just want. Any blitz him and they really Shawn Camp in the face the world. I don't understand that you know he's got a sprained isn't all the Cubs he could pitch through it you know he's not healthy. James Russell is your best reliever. You use it for one batter you giving you bring in a guy who's pitching injured I don't understand it. Is it safe to question dale claims handling of the bullpen is the guy for how many outings ran Carlos Marmol out there in the ninth inning absolutely shelled. And any run a mile but in his defense playing devil's advocate. doesn't use Marmol he camp we'll you they tell you right now but I let's not you don't Rondo before you know it's another they finally got Smart use Kevin even though it probably blows up at some point at least you gotta try some camera on the same guys out I was the president be in a way about their last at I thought I thought they should run him a perfect situation for him to be go two innings and you know maybe pitching in the eighth inning to announce. We talk about this team rebuilding I'm not so sure that the manager when this team gets to be the team that they want so you next what a rip off that would for that poor guy not having to put up with this and though you don't want now that we're good we're we're gonna go something else now I wouldn't be shocked if if if they if they struggle which it looks like they're going to struggle again. That they make it's OK there's a guy whose contracts up at the end of this season. Joseph Girardi. If he doesn't go back to the Yankees I'm so assuming he will but if he didn't for he's a free agent his out there. how do you not go to that guy go. Come home. Well you know that Joseph would be interested in that and I know your big Joseph Girardi guy. I I think that's a place they look and if the Yankees don't do what the Yankees have to do every year. Then that could be a possibility definitely upon he's pretty analytical through the need kind of by the numbers by the books chemical engineering major mean that's the deal right up there priority not questioned us.
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PFT's Florio talks Urlacher on SportsTalk LiveThey knew it was probably didn't come as a surprise to you it certainly didn't the Chicago bear fan base Brian Urlacher hang him up after thirteen stellar seasons what your take. On Urlacher is career. Well. He's got to be considered as one of the all time great Chicago Bears defenders and and likely addition of the hall of fame at some point it's gonna be tough on that first ballot though because right now Ray Lewis Ronde Barber. Possibly Randy Moss all in that mix for the first time in 2018 along with Urlacher but he'll get there eventually and he's been a cornerstone. For the Bears defense for so long it really. Is going to seem strange without him on the field but not as strange as it would have been. To see him playing for someone else I told you rank the all time best middle linebackers in football former bear GM Jerry Angelo said today. He'd go butkus Ray Lewis Urlacher. How would you stack them up. I don't know that I would give that third spot to Urlacher there's a guy named Jack Lambert who played pretty tough middle linebacker back in the 1970s there's a lot of guys that would be easy to overlook. Lot of great middle linebackers over history but a lot of them who deserve to be in the hall of fame and guys like Urlacher who likely will be all right explain to the younger generation. Who tweeting at me all day that they would take Urlacher over Dick Butkus why they are probably misguided. While Urlacher is extremely athletic and he was able to play sideline to sideline and cover receivers he gets the ball and make the tackle but there was a certain. Toughness and grit about Dick Butkus and of course this was in an aero when. Football players were allowed to be tougher and allowed to be greedy here and allowed to hit harder and allowed do a lot of the things that today's players aren't able to do. But but this was a different breed at a different time and it would be it would be intriguing to see a guy like that let loose on. On today's NFL. When you look at a great history of Chicago Bears if you looked at a mount Rushmore or greatest members of the bear franchise. Obviously George Walter Payton are locks one to who gets the other two spots. When you raise an intriguing part because pro football talk we're going through that process for every team. In the month of June and we've been taking nominations at and I reached that same conclusion Paulus and Peyton definitely on it beyond that. It it I'm do you put Mike Ditka on it what do you do about members that Bears defense from 1985 his Buddy Ryan get consideration given. His role in putting that team together Sid locked when you feel like he needs a spot there he's the best quarterback in franchise history all due respect Jay Cutler so. It's not going to be an easy process to fill those final two spots. I would not looking at the Bears going forward new coach GM in his second year no Brian Urlacher. How did they move or what type of team you think they have a 2013 I don't Vegas as over under on wins eight and a half. And that could be a little charitable a lot of change with the Bears no one really knows how mark is gonna perform. As an NFL head coach he's got years and years as an assistant coach. He's been a successful head coaching candidate. He's been out of the game at least the NFL game for the last eight years. There's a lot of skepticism about whether or not his methods will work certain irony there too because everybody assumes Chip Kelly. Eagles head coach had zero connection to the NFL at any point in his life is gonna show up and be one of the great head coaches in the game. I trust deserves a little bit of consideration for his background in its history. To possibly being able to hit the ground running and lead the Bears to a good record just nobody really knows how this is all gonna play out it's gonna make for a an season for Bears last one for you last year the Bears had Jay Cutler arguably the second best quarterback in franchise history they added the greatest single season performance by a wide receiver in the history of the franchise. And their offense grasp how good do you think they'll be offensively. And how good you think the league defensively. What coaching is gonna have a lot to do with the offense and I like the fact that they have tried. Aggressively. To improve the offensive line as the offensive line goes so goes the rest of the offense but the schemes the plays. Trying to design. Attacks that take advantage of your players' strengths and minimize their weaknesses that's going to be important for mark trust On defense you have to feel like there's going to be a step back with Urlacher gone with Nick Roach gone. And you just don't get the sense that this is a dominant Bears defense. And maybe the pendulum is gonna swing to the offense to pick up some of the slack.
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