There was so much hope last night now there's a lot of anger. Are we really back to square one with these negotiations. That -- probably aren't. The whole unit everything off the table a little bit of our strength. I did it is very careers are very I'm very very much irrelevant writing and I. Not that but it meant that they -- and all of that I did well I don't know why -- and it really actually I expect. Believe it's so hard I'm. I keep reading about -- member of games minimum that the NHL's big sponsors want is those stories throw and what is that minimum and is there any chance of that I make him. Yeah up and talk about but you've been reading but I'm quoting -- pretty but a lot of all I'll be at least create. And anybody who has a long primary well remembered that popped out I think we're making. I chart that you know they came back -- 48 game. I think it's the -- there's a good friend right there I think 48 games you see the Panama. -- mark Gonzales and you're familiar with Donald Fehr called back the baseball you're days everything Angels but how are did you find it that. Him coming out and saying that there there's a lot of common ground and further than the league did issue a statement saying. No deal. It was good Arab world it really I'm. An early exit this year at Oakland. -- -- that they haven't ever in golf cart and what. Yeah -- I would not -- enough for him but I think yesterday but particularly strange because I get everything well generated on. -- and then it just -- came. Crashing down a little bit. -- -- -- Earlier in the season you said that you -- the season would begin January 1 of the locker we'll go -- long do you have any hope that this season will actually begin January 1 or will begin at all. I. Don't mean he's and I really do it again I think it that we got it -- that think that. Out they'll look bad I think -- 95 he's -- as the the formula. -- 48 -- he's ever -- it make you think. That little bit better arm you know what that -- defense. -- hit the ball lately in the conference. But I did what I thought shortened season and that created rhyme -- reason I think it and have struggled recession that and I think that that stands. Enjoyed that so -- that was one way -- get fans back. I think the question LA tech fans -- -- -- out and get the third block out there as I did over on it. You know it's a mixture I don't anger we're very happy I'm thinking you know what. Found other ways to spend that Manny has found other instrument Laura I don't need hot. And it hasn't really good job on it and you all that -- You know -- I'm a believer that really the bottom line here is this NHL lockout won't and instill. The players decide they're really starting to miss their paychecks I don't think they have a whole lot of leverage here. Is there a drop dead date for the season to be canceled all together. And -- that there is not a drop but it really ready adamant about that yesterday our. Team. I'm certain. That you know what not and it locked up and I would want to. -- but in the oh or up I've locked up negotiating his latest ever. Eric talk they would play quite ain't that big hit every ball that I've ever -- Hot and you know I. -- -- -- -- -- So technically they can go a little later and and I think that. Familiar with Donald heard a little bit. You're very patient I'm appeared corporate -- players I -- eating you can't wait actually you know very well. About the night for an ID but is -- Stirred up in January. That really the -- that people aren't out and you're. All right Helene Elliott from the LA times thank you so much for joining us. Yet. Sammy really guys to the players have any other options at this point did they have any leverage. We'll go through the move probably in Europe actually fewer than I thought I mean I'm Roger surprise that that's the number. What I -- wanna know is how many teams are army making money by not playing right now how many are measures are we making money how many he's really you never know because they called -- Lot of crime -- more than there is but you know I wonder that mean a lot of these cars are probably obviously all of their employees on the line of being hurt. But a lot of Arizona -- -- -- it's not a bad deal hopping all these salaries rise. Which is why I think I mean exactly taking I'd like to see happening these owners are not budging Gaza right in their phone leader that doesn't mean it's on the line in the sand and I can cross that line. It's idea it's just like to me a casual fan it just pushes me further away. But I'll say a bad sign that I saw this week was there a couple -- -- players that one of our shows we -- out afterwards and then I'm gonna drop names who have now these guys before. And the other night and pay for my drinks were. Had I thought I'd seriously. The pats out of it it got hot out is affecting yeah saw that trickle down effect on any. But let's put it -- -- about it being a casual fan I mean the hard core fans are gonna come back. But those people for instance the fans in LA or Harlem the other -- -- this happened to the Florida Panthers oval and previous locked out. Those fans are gonna say to heck with that I -- I would turn on the hockey for 28 minutes and I was really excited about going on the next season and are you you pulled the rug out from under me I mean. And they and they still have a window because you're gonna happy and FL season and an after the Super Bowl. And before spring training let's say before baseball this -- you have a window where you could probably bring the game back and get some viewers. Because the only thing going on would be the NBA except on March Madness don't forget that you haven't added I say if you can get it back in February -- you have that window where people might be tuning in because there's nothing else yet going on us.