I look at this team I think are four -- deserves eight Hans credit for putting together a roster where. At the start of the season people me included did not think this team would be as good. I just don't see any scenario with Derek back that they make Eastern Conference finals that they don't make these Iguodala. You don't think they'll make decent car I found out I don't think I -- that they give me another team. Other than Miami that you think in a best of seven series is better than the Bulls I here's why I don't think they'll make it you -- not a question. -- -- in the east. That in a best of seven series is better than the Bulls the Knicks going to be Estes does that they've already beaten the Knicks there's times reg season basketball you're a basketball totally different Knicks have that the Knicks and a Whitney comes a half court game. I don't believe from my experience here on the game I don't believe the Bulls will be able to score enough and -- a seven point. The Bulls are better half court team then the mix to be on its not the -- I don't see it but why would this have no inside game to speak of in the defense that they get rid Julian were predicated on with their coach Mike Woodson. Has been invisible for the -- Yeah he has been around one other team if Granger -- That is healthy correct in the Bulls have yet to really play them when they're gonna play them this upcoming Monday and a couple of upcoming times after that. That is the one other team but short of that Atlanta know Boston forget about it Philadelphia's his drop like a -- water this entire season so. You know I'll give Indiana is another possibility but the next. Now the Knicks are wildcard. Only in that. He's got. Maybe even the most pure well other than Kevin Durant this maybe the second pure scorer in the league. And a half court setting and Carmelo Anthony so he can win a game by himself in the playoffs. If they're hitting their threes. They can beat anybody if you're not hitting their threes they can lose anybody I mean -- that's the wildcard that that the Knicks are. But you look at the you know what the east -- you know you can make a case or make or an argument for or against just about everything that's going to make the playoffs. Other than Miami because there -- you know they're still head and shoulders above everybody else in the east but yeah I just don't know all the Bulls can score enough. To. Win the east now can they get these finals yet because again you look at the other teams and easterners really -- yesterday but if if Rangers healthy. Indiana is a team that could be a team that would give them trouble. Bob I know this is caps argument not -- but the whole argument is a little bit crazy now because who knows how good the Bulls are gonna be I mean that yeah you know that they're just like all those other teams you were talking about because. You can't assume Derrick Rose is gonna come back you know and and be the top of his game Derrick Rose on -- I mean let's wait and let's wait a little bit and see. Number one you know. Is that he's still gonna have that that explosiveness those quick burst. -- Tuesday get a hold up or they gonna you know is he going to be. 20/20 five minute guy or the other is that you know this can be tough he's gonna wanna play. But as you know is he really going to be are they pushing it to get him back in you know they're trying to build. A playoff run behind I think he'll do that now they won't do that here's the counter argument to what you're talking about Phil what I've never mind even Derrick Rose right now. The Bulls are currently constituted let's face it -- not hurt this team he'll help them to what degree will will ultimately find out the right now the Bulls have. Competed with any other team in the he's already without Derrick Rose so if he comes back and even if he gives you anything which I anticipate he will that will elevate them to some degree and I think they can compete with anybody. And even Miami which -- have weaknesses now I grant that Miami -- the best team in the east. And -- probably just going through the motions regular season not on doubt that for second. But they are really weak in the middle of the Bulls were just able to pick up. One extra big man who could back up joking -- and put some minutes on the court not Nazr Mohamed. Then you're at least strengthen your team where their weakness and you might even be able to come. The other is just waited from Indiana that. Must be watching the show Danny Granger expected to be backer could be back. By the all star break put -- in game action before they break and it can be the same thing is Derrick Rose you don't know how Federer he's gonna be either but good for them us.