One of the great golfers of all time is Lanny Watkins -- we are honored to have him here in the studio great to have. Thanks Ken nice to be here let's talk a little bit about. Right now Tiger Woods what is his persona what is Tiger Woods now a guy tried to get back to where he was or is he still considered maybe the biggest name in golf. I think both I think he's still considered the biggest name in golf and I think he's on his way back to being where he was. I like you're running out scene from tiger this year. -- he had a match just in this happens in match play he played a solid match no bogeys. Charles -- displayed more birdies so and then today. Charles -- loses doesn't make any birdies that's just the -- match play goes but. I think tiger's -- way back I think. We're gonna see when funny weather gets to Jack's record and that settled me because thing did this to you for him to do our thing. When he -- We're in this tournament now as this match play that's everybody seemed to get really excited for at the start of the tournament because they think all we're gonna have a tiger -- final run that. Everybody's really excited and then you know at the top names like tiger Rory lose on the second day and it -- seemed to lose a lot of steam. From a golfer's standpoint how much more pressure. Is there are -- play as opposed to stroke play. Well there's more pressure and believe me the players love this week or they wouldn't be their plan. They play for this kind of money almost on a weekly basis you know which I'm very envious of because we didn't. But. They loved that they love this format we all wrote this -- playing match play. We put it in Ryder Cup played Walker Cup flooded new US amateurs so low for a lot on this is is this a once and you're having so they're great to be there. Suppression was date kind of relish it and look forward to you think they should have wore. But he's -- protect tournaments are won enough. I think one in this in the spring and one of the followed beyond going to be outstanding. So it and it from their standpoint I think you'd be a great anticipation. Miami we sportswriters and and even fans like to compare athletes off from one generation to this to the next and obviously with the Jack Nicklaus and then we're talking about Tiger Woods but even farther back. What impact has equipment head in the sport of golf and he can you perhaps quantify how many. Strokes is that it's may be helping offers up today compared to. 22 decades. Well if you use equipment properly today and get fitted properly can help you immensely. I'm 63 years allotted six backs -- his last five years. I hit the ball further -- ever have in my life so it's just about using equipment properly. And so if that explains why some of these guys hit it as far as they do. My generation when Nicklaus and Trevino. Watson all the guys. Had they been playing as is put this equipment. They would have still been dominant still -- great players they would to figure out a way to do -- great players for your way to play no matter what -- playing with Sam -- would have been spectacular this equipment so. The the one detriment to this whole thing. I think is it's taken a lot of the great courses out of play because these guys it is so far. I mean the the you know brouhaha going on with the long putter and anchored putter so to speak. I mean I think that's a good point. This great Sanders and his game is good for the pros they liked it enough I think -- It's it's a point that I think the PGA tour ought to have its own rules and much like other sports do. And if they did dead in and you know restricted to how -- the ball went. Other weeks of golf shares aside for the driver hit it might for the love these classic courses backing plate. So we should keep that those. Qualifiers. In mind when we talk about the great golfers over the over the years Seattle I think it healed. Scoring records come and go and some still you know depending on what they are I still hold the tournament record -- from 1980 thought of with wooden headed club and -- got approachable quote from Christ -- compared to today. So I mean you know. Scores were shot back in and some venues just don't yield great scores despite the equipment can you talk a little. -- about longevity as far as the game of golf is concerned you know many of us in this it's a different air. It's going to that direction you know when the tiger came up a young twenty something year old kid just. Crushing the ball in just -- the cover -- for everything then we can up the golf world and bring in and still novice fans to do that to really enjoy the sport. How do you. Talk about the longevity in the progression went from your twenty's to your thirties and this particular -- tiger and pursuit of of the record. How do you mature and understand the game because right now seems tiger physically is ready mentally as ready equipment wise is ready. And as far as his you know his -- coaches and everything it seemed like everything is clicking form right now talk about. Longevity immaturity of the sport. Well I think that longevity ya some players. Yeah last longer than others Tigers is gonna last he's got great foundation and and outstanding work ethic. The -- the one thing I think there's still a question mark in everybody's mind. Is -- physical condition -- that left knee hold up. He's made concessions to that if you watch you set up today you notice his stance a little narrow in his left foot is turned out. So when he goes through the ball is put less stress on his left knee. So I I think that's one of them would it have been very well published out of this one the changes he has made. They think they go with the guys as they get older than nerves -- Honestly -- so you know you're only young kids always gonna make more putts than the old guys so. There are a lot of guys have played great for a long time that you look at Jack Nicklaus I mean you know Mickelson winning Thomas into his forties. You know I won as an amateur all wind was forty so -- one and you know. Several decades -- won in three different decades -- you can do that golf and its if you take carry yourself -- don't have any major injuries and have good work getting the one thing to remember it off. What do you do you do on your own you have no coach no teammates no manager and owner sitting there saying go work. If you know these guys get lazy get -- the game goes downhill so -- miss -- they've got their their own ball so they've got to do themselves I mean it. It you've got to be. You know and the other thing is as you get older you you friendly -- of being kids come into play. You know everything else that everybody else goes through life starts affecting them a little bit later than it would be -- earlier. Still goes out couple weeks ago and a few holes the putt on eighteen which rimmed out set there he shoots 59. Do you think anyone will ever break 159. It seems a -- all the equipment. As good a shape some of these guys -- in someone's gonna shoot 58 I think so yeah I really do I think we're getting guys coming closer all the time. We've seen some spectacular scores. The -- -- they're better athletes in my generation of bigger stronger. And they had to run to be faster so funny. They're just better athletes they work out harder you know I I think that somebody will and I think -- over it's hard to maintain that. Over a four day tournament right but I think on -- one day -- when he gets work in. You know it's possible if Ben Hogan was alive today and we handed him. Perfect equipment from today the pro V one ball or whatever it is how would you be would be unbeatable. Well what ended -- generation does he had to do with -- with Byron Nelson and Sam Snead and Lloyd my anger and a whole bunch of guys who can really play. He is a technician in and I think that. I played a lot of golf with Hogan actually and and played his equipment for about ten years on tour. And I know how meticulous he was about his equipment so I have no doubt that he would adjusted today's equipment Sam Snead would be spectacular. With today's equipment because Sam to pick up any club and in two swings you like his own. That's just the ability he had so. Watching Sam Snead play today he'd he would really be dominant force he was that did anyway. How many times in the course your career did you change your swing we hear so much about tiger revamping your swing you hold whose swing is so much is made -- how many times did you ever do that how many times and do you feel that we necessarily didn't. Have the coaches that they had to that we had some I mean the guy talk me out of played miles assault one college 1970. I didn't work with anybody again until start working on Dick Harmon 1980 flat out says sixteen years and I -- a whole bunch determines the PGA of players championship. All day in his really we just get a big head of the dirty when -- electric Venus is eating and you worked and you figured things out I mean -- times. I'd be hitting it not very well. Discover something fifteen minutes -- -- the first hole and the first round and we wind -- flat and it just happens you always costly working in tinkering and tiger does that to an extent. Don't think he does know his own swing. But he's got a somebody that you are sounding board there all the time where I didn't. Tell us about the golf show out in Rosemont. Why is it's exciting looking for the golf show I'm here and help them on the half encompass with the Champions Tour. And we got Champions Tour golf on back to Chicago for the first time in over ten years and all our guys are excited about that we get played North Shore which is a great course played -- -- probably one of the best courses that we play all year so that. The players are really excited to see golf back in Chicago having. Somebody's got to play the western open in. Yeah and then. Other tournaments here over the years and have played all the great courses here so. Can come back and put their -- exciting some on here and on behalf of encompassed in Champions Tour and we'll just have gotten a place at the into golf should more I was out there today and it is a huge show. I was making a comment today that someone that I think if the average player with all the snow on the ground you'll take a look at what's out there in the pros have the ability to get fitted in in. You're fine tune their games. I think -- the average player would -- brought to the show and take a look at what's there he'd have a great chance of improving his game. Just by tinkering in final what's -- what's available what makes -- his. His -- her game better.